On Sunday, the 62nd ranked national recruit for the 2020 cycle – QB Carson Beck – committed to Georgia.
This isn’t anything out of the ordinary. Georgia has been wiping the floor with just about everyone not named Alabama on the recruiting trail since Kirby Smart took over. Beck isn’t even close to the best recruit Georgia has gotten a commitment from recently.
But it’s emblematic of the issue that Florida – and the rest of the SEC East – is going to run up against in the next few years.
Georgia is poised to win, win big and win often.
Comparison to Alabama
Kirby Smart obviously has had some hiccups while coaching on the field. But nobody can question his recruiting chops.
Of course, that means that the natural comparison for Smart is his mentor Nick Saban at Alabama. It’s not a pretty story for the SEC.
In each of Saban’s national championship seasons, these are the cumulative number of 5, 4 and 3-star recruits that he signed in the previous four recruiting cycles as well as Alabama’s national recruiting ranking.
If we look at Georgia coming into the 2019 season, those numbers for Smart’s squad are 18 5-stars, 58 4-stars, 22 3-stars and a national recruiting average of 3.0.
Based on the analysis I cited by 247Sports regarding how often players get drafted into the NFL based on star ranking (62% for 5-stars, 23% for 4-stars and 5% for 3-stars), this should translate to 25.9 players from this particular team who will eventually end up being drafted into the NFL.
25.9 is an entire roster of starters, plus four more guys. So yes, Justin Fields is no longer at Georgia, but that hardly matters. The talent level in Athens is ridiculous.
In fact, the 2019 roster that Smart will bring into the season is slightly better than Saban’s. Over the past four seasons, the Tide have signed 14 5-stars, 68 4-stars and 20 3-stars. That should translate into 25.7 players drafted into the NFL.
So if you would feel nervous about your team facing Alabama, you should feel the same way about Georgia, because the Bulldogs have the exact same amount of talent – and more top-end talent – than the Tide.
Implications for Florida – and the rest of the SEC East
Dan Mullen has definitely increased the talent level at Florida. But that increase has had its limits.
As it stands, Florida will come into 2019 having signed 0 5-stars, 50 4-stars and 42 3-stars over the past four recruiting cycles. That translates to 14.1 players drafted. The good news is that is the second most talent in the SEC East. But the bad news is that it is still just sixth in the SEC overall.
The difference in talent between Florida and Georgia (11.8) is larger than the difference between Florida and Vanderbilt (8.9).
Additionally, the Bulldogs signed seven 5-star players in the 2018 recruiting cycle. Along with the losses of Nick Chubb, Sony Michel and other stars from the 2017 team that made it to the national championship game, those players were young in 2018. That meant that some thought that 2018 was the year for someone to “get” Georgia.
Florida lost 36-17 even though Kirby Smart made a ton of decisions that could be called questionable, at best. At some point, players matter.
For the 2019 schedule, just based on talent alone, Florida should defeat everyone in the SEC East except for Georgia. The problem is that the Gators also play Auburn and LSU from the West, both ranked ahead by this analysis. Florida State – for all of its issues right now – also ranks ahead of the Gators on pure talent alone.
Coaching and Development
I actually do believe that Dan Mullen develops talent better than his peers.
In fact, out of 169 3-star players that he recruited to Mississippi State from 2007-2015, 8.3 percent of those players were drafted, compared to 5.9 percent nationally. So if we apply that 2.4 percent increase across the board to 5, 4, and 3-star recruits, that raises the expected number of Florida players to be drafted to 16.3.
That is a significant increase. It puts Florida ahead of Texas A&M and Auburn and nipping at LSU’s heels.
Georgia last season had an expected draft number of 24.1. The Bulldogs lost to two teams with less overall talent (LSU, 18.2; Texas, 16.9) and one team with more talent (Alabama, 25.6). That means that a team with more talent can lose.
But it also likely means that there is a threshold where you have to get to in order to really be able to compete with a more talented team.
Takeaway
That’s why the commitment of Carson Beck to Georgia is such a problem.
It’s not that Florida lost out on one high-level recruit. It’s not that Florida absolutely has to have him to succeed at the QB position. Mullen likely already has someone he can get to play really well. It’s that a team that is loaded with talent continues to add elite talent, this time from the Gators backyard.
Georgia has 15 returning starters in 2019. And the Bulldogs are going to add the true impact of the 2018 recruiting class now that it has a full year of experience.
ESPN may be selecting another Clemson/Alabama tilt for the championship again in 2019, but if I had to put my money on someone, I’d put my money on Georgia.
They’ve had Alabama on the ropes for two straight years – with slightly inferior talent – the past two seasons. This year, there is no such excuse.
That may mean that we’ll find out that Kirby Smart just isn’t a good in-game coach. It may mean that we find out that the impact of Dan Mullen on his players was significantly understated at Mississippi State because he had to do so much with so many 3-star players.
Or it may mean that we find out that in the end, talent eventually wins out.
And if that’s true, then everyone is going to be looking up at Georgia for the foreseeable future.
Bryan Hutto
This is going to be an ongoing problem for UF for a couple of reasons .
UF will need to compete and be able to beat Georgia and Alabama before 5 star talent will look at Florida as a place to play and this is something that Florida just can’t do right now. Hopefully this will change soon.
Mullins is doing it now but aggressive recruiting of top fifty recruits needs to be a staple at Florida. Yes the California trips did not prove as successful as we hoped. but we need to re-establish our recruiting presence in other states as well as trying to lockdown Florida as much as possible
Lastly Florida has finally decided to build the facilities that are needed to attract these high level recruits. Resting on your history and we are UF come play for us is not a good way to recruit and keep top fifty talent hell South Carolina has a football only facility and we won’t have one for another 2 YEARS.
Mark
Ouch. It’s probably true, but still painful to read.
100% agree with you re: Carson Beck. I was getting excited to think about adding someone with so much potential, but I don’t think our QB room will suffer too much. I’m very confident in Emory and Jalon Jones for the next 4 years, but it is painful to watch a talented kid from Florida go to UGA after we’ve been after him so long. That has to change.
That being said, given Emory and Jalon, I would probably preferred to have gotten Kaiir Elam over Beck of the two recruits we’ve battled UGA for lately, but we really need to start getting BOTH of them (especially with them both being Florida kids).
MA
Been reading for the last half dozen posts. Love your analysis and your honesty. You also partner well on the podcast. You’re setting yourself apart. Was surprised by Beck’s decision yesterday – but December is a long way off.
B Hall
Georgia has Jake Fromm, a juco qb that is returning to Georgia after transferring because he was behind a true freshman on the depth chart and a not very highly ranked true freshman in dwan mathis. Their qb room is pretty bare, especially if Fromm leaves after this season for the NFL.
Eason and fields transferred. We still have Felipe (with two years of eligibility left), trask and Emory Jones from those classes to go with Jalon Jones.
He sees the depth charts and he sees a better system fit as hes a pro style and Mullen likes to run his QBs. It makes all the sense in the world for him to go to UGA so I really dont see what all the panic is about. It’s not indicative about anything, imo.
Kristopher
I was wondering about their QB depth, that does lower the panic for me from a boil to a low simmer.
My only thought is UGA has essentially brought in four strait five star QBs (Carson might as well be a five star). Fields joined them with two on the roster in front of them.
Why can’t we do the same?
Mike Ryder
I don’t think it’s an “all the eggs in one basket” situation where Mullen and his coaches blew off Anthony Richardson to solely focus on Beck, but gosh it is the “bird in the hand versus two in the bush” when we had AR committed. Wonder if AR will rethink his decision now that Beck is gone or if he’s a goner for us. If I was an opposing coach I would point out how fickle UF was to him-whether that was true or not.
JEFF LOPEZ
Great painfully true article. Every time I get a little excited about Gator football returning to national relevance, I get punched in the gut by the reality we aren’t even close to winning our division. For the foreseeable future winning 10 games will be our only realistic goal until Mullen hires some elite recruiters.
Rp
Great article. Gators are right there. Mullen knows what he found. We need great facility’s. Then you’ll see a great chsnge.
Bryan Hutto
This is about top 50 talent coming to UF more then about Beck going to Georgia or Florida. I think he made the choice based on who he will need to beat out to play and you are right if Mullen wants him that bad we could try and flip him.
There will be other QB’s that will come on the board for Mullen to get and other then Alabama i don’t think there is a better coaching staff in the SEC then UF.
We might not beat them off the field in recruiting every year we just need to get closer then Mullen’s staff should take care of the rest.
Tom
I watched Beck twice last season….the semi-final against Sarasota Riverview and then the state final game against Columbus HS. The thing I believe that caught everyone’s eye with Beck was that Mandarin HS the year before had only won 2 games, Beck transfers into Mandarin HS and Bam he leads them to State Championship. Does anyone realize that Beck last year on 4 different occasions completed less than 50% his passes during those games? Also 5 other games he only completed just over 50% of his passes? He also had 3 senior WR’s at Mandarin that had 1300 receiving yards, 1084 receiving yards, and 773 receiving yards. Another words he had an abundance of talent at the WR position at Mandarin HS, you don’t normally see at the HS level. Now I’ll have to admit I liked his ability to read coverage and then properly react to what the defense was giving him and make the right throws…..but that was about it. He has a very good arm, but I wouldn’t rank it elite………….bottom line I look at his talent level right now as being somewhere on par with where Felipe was at coming out of Wakulla HS and wonder to myself if the whole deal with Beck is more hype than actual reality in as far as recruiting is concerned?
Lets give this more time to establish better trend lines with regards to Mullen’s recruiting at Florida, as well as what he does with Florida on the football field from a coaching standpoint.
I’ll close with 2 quotes from Steve Spurrier on recruiting against Alabama and Georgia and ponder to yourself is it possible not much has really changed from then and now?……
On Alabama:”In 12 years at Florida, I don’t think we ever signed a kid from the state of Alabama … Of course, we found out later that the scholarships they were giving out at Alabama were worth a whole lot more than ours.”
On Georgia: “Why is it that during recruiting season they sign all the great players, but when it comes time to play the game, we have all the great players? I don’t understand that. What happens to them?”
Pwr
Very solid post
Green
Gator or Gator Bait? Beck made his choice. Wish him the best but also believe he will regret that choice. There was a lot of doubt about Mullen when he was hired. All he did was take a thin 4-7 team and turn it into a 10-3 team in Freakin Year 1! Who is gonna doubt him now? I love Will’s analyticals and there is no doubt the Gators need more 5 Star talent. But when Dan gets rolling with a QB that can run his full offense I won’t bet against him. There is a reason the St. Johns flows north and nothings ever gonna change that!!!
Tracy Jackson
This commitment to UGA by Beck proves that elite Pro style QBs do not like this offense. Matt Corral knew he didn’t fit either. Just like Justin Fields learned the hard way that he didn’t fit a pro style offense. Anthony Richardson is the perfect fit for this offense even though on paper he isn’t as polished a passer.
M
Love Spurrier!
Charles Ariz
The sad news to come, I’m afraid, is Running Back – U, Georgia, gets Bowman also. Florida could be setting up for the worst possible scenario for 2020. For QB- lose Carson Beck, chase away Anthony Richardson, then for RB- lose Bowman, chase away Keyvone Lee.
I think if Carson Beck sticks with Georgia, he will WRECK Florida for the 2-3 years that he starts. I’ve been watching all the available tape on this kid. He has field general smarts that are rarely seen. He sees the entire field, with rapid progressions and his accuracy and velocity will only improve. I believe Dan Mullen saw this as well on his HS tape and made him #1 priority.
Even deeper is how and why? – how is it even possible in one week, Carson Beck was convinced that Georgia and Florida aren’t even close, and committed to Georgia in lightning fashion. It is a sad demonstration of the perception gap, recruiting gap, and facilities gap that UF is in. UF is woefully behind Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Texas A&M, and it shows.
Now that the Gators are on the winning track again, why is it that we are still failing to keep kids like Beck. Why is it that Georgia can eat our lunch with recruits and make it look so easy? These are deep systemic issues that this program needs to correct before we can even think about joining the SEC’s top echelon when it comes to recruiting.
When I saw that we lost Beck to Georgia with less than a week of recruiting work, I wanted to put my head down and sob. I fear this kid will be the equivalent of losing Dalvin Cook several years ago (or worse). After studying this Beck’s game tape, he has a ceiling which could be in the Tebow level of greatness, but again, only time will tell.
When Georgia signs both Carson Beck and Demarkus Bowman, this will eviscerate the Florida Gators, and the next 4-5 years will be a write-off, with no chance of even sniffing the SEC East title.
Thank you Will for the very timely article. I sincerely hope I am proven wrong and my deepest fears aren’t realized.
Kendall Varney
Very simple. He is a better fit for UGA’s offense. Good decision on his part. If Mullen gets elite talent that fits his system moving forward UF will be better. Better development and better coach.
JLO
I agree with Charles Ariz 100%!!!! He was obviously a fit for Mullen’s offense in Mullen’s mind otherwise he would not have recruited him so hard!
Gator22222
Direct quote from Beck:
“Once I hit middle school (11 years old) Georgia was actually like the dream school where I wanted to go for football. So my head coach was a Georgia fan, my offensive coordinator was a Georgia fan and QB coach and then our defensive line coach who is a great friend of my dad’s was a Georgia fan. So that’s kind of why I started heading up there (Georgia) and then the first time I ever went up there I fell in love with the place.”
He had been to Georgia 4 times including once for a game when he was on the sidelines and also for a camp.
Despite the public perception that Georgia came out of nowhere and beat Mullen, the reality is that no one was going to pull this kid away from Athens once they offered. It had nothing to do with facilities or depth charts, it was a simple matter of Beck growing up a Dawg fan and being surrounded by Dawgs.
I agree that we need to start landing the top talent, but even Saban himself couldn’t keep this kid out of Athens.