If you’ve been anywhere near a Gator recruiting conversation lately, you’ve probably heard the buzz about UF’s effort to land the “Palmetto guys” from Miami, Florida.
Generally this refers to five high school teammates (all with power-5 scholarship offers) from Dade County’s Palmetto High. The real hype however, is emanating from UF’s pursuit of the three highest-rated prospects at the school. Those three: 5-star DT Leonard Taylor, 5-star CB Jason Marshall, and 4-star S prospect Corey Collier are each ranked among the top-3 nationally at their respective positions.
Each of the three is considering an August commitment and all three have listed UF as a finalist. With their announcements rapidly approaching, excitement (and angst) over UF’s chances to land the three is reaching a fever pitch.
But are these guys as important as fans claim? Is the hype justified? Or is Covid-19 driving us to overhype every bit of Gator news we can consume?
Well, with respect to the uncertain nature of recruiting (and my own Coronavirus induced stir-craziness), this author is here to tell you that the upcoming Palmetto announcements could be pivotal for Gator football. As we dive into the facts below, I intend to lay out three distinct reasons why an August sweep at Palmetto could be game-changing for both Dan Mullen and the trajectory of the program.
Before we get started however, let’s briefly profile each of the “Palmetto guys” to give you some context:
DT Leonard Taylor – A composite 5-star and ranked as the nation’s #3 defensive tackle prospect, Taylor is scheduled to commit to either Miami or UF on August 6.
CB Jason Marshall – Another composite 5-star and the nation’s #2 cornerback prospect, Marshall is on the receiving end of a full court press from Alabama, Miami, and UF. There has been talk of an early August commitment, but that could change.
S Corey Collier – The composite 4-star is ranked as the nation’s #3 safety prospect and has UF, LSU, and Miami in his group of finalists. Currently, he is scheduled to announce his commitment on August 11.
DT Savion Collins – Composite 4-star Collins is the ranked as the 15th best defensive tackle prospect nationally. While he is currently committed to Miami, rumors of a possible flip to UF have persisted.
WR Brashard Smith – A composite 3-star, Smith is a former UF commit who backed off his pledge this may. At present, most of the buzz suggests he’ll eventually sign with Miami. UPDATE: After this article was submitted for publication, Smith committed to Miami.
Now buckle up, because here come the facts…
It’s about finally kicking the door open
When it comes to producing football talent, it’s not exactly a secret that south Florida, and more specifically Dade County, is as good as it gets.
The NFL for example, recently announced that there are more players from Miami in the League than from any other city in the country. Even more impressive is that the city’s NFL ranks total almost a third more than second place Houston, Texas.
Unsurprisingly, athletes from “The 305” are just as prevalent on college football prospect ranking lists as they are NFL rosters. From year to year, about 18% of Florida’s top-50 prospects in the 247 Composite are from Dade County. This means that out of the top-50 prospects from the best talent-producing state in the country, about 9 are typically from the single county.
Over the past two decades however, UF’s effort to pry elite recruits from Dade County has been about as successful as that time UCLA hired Chip Kelly as head football coach (…can I get a “thank you Lord!”?).
I know it might not seem that way, but consider the fact that over the past 19 recruiting classes (Composite Recruiting records generally go back to 2002), UF has never signed a 5-star recruit from a Dade County high school. Think that’s too high a standard? Well, in that same near-2-decade span, the Gators have only signed a single prospect ranked among the national top-100 from Dade County. That was Xzavier Henderson in the class of 2020.
While UF has signed many prospects from Miami over the years, they typically haven’t been top-rated recruits coveted by the best programs.
Of the 34 Dade athletes who signed with the Orange and Blue since 2002, their average recruit rating is 87.46 in the composite. For comparison, consider that Gator recruits from neighboring talent hotbed Broward County, where the Gators have made significant inroads over the years, have an average rating of 90.85. Essentially, that means the average Dade county Gator prospect is a 3-star ranked just inside the national top-500, while the average Broward signee has been a 4-star just inside the national top-250. That’s a huge disparity.
Now, I fully understand why some may counter that Miami area players simply out-perform their recruiting rankings. And while I’d be very interested in reading data that supports this idea, it simply hasn’t been the case for those Miami-area players at UF.
As you can see in the chart below, UF’s 3-stars have typically made post-season AP All-SEC teams about 4% of the time AT UF. If the recruiting rankings matter less for Dade County prospects, then we should expect their All-SEC success rate at UF to exceed the overall average.
Except it doesn’t. Of the 34 Miami prospects signed by UF, CJ Henderson was the only non-kicker prospect to eventually become an AP All-SEC player at UF. That means that they had a 3% success rate (or 6% if you include the illustrious Eddy Pineiro, but I didn’t include kickers in the overall list either).
What about the area’s 5-star talent though, like current recruits Taylor and Marshall? Should we really expect them to pan out more often at an all-conference level?
Well, of the 15 Dade County 5-stars of the composite rankings era, 6 went on to all-conference awards at their respective schools. This means that the all-conference success rate for the county’s 5-star prospects (40%) is almost exactly what it has been for 5-stars overall at UF (41%). More importantly, it’s almost exactly equal in its disproportion when compared to the success rate of the aforementioned 3-star prospects.
This is representative of why the Big-3 at Palmetto provide Dan Mullen with a golden opportunity. It’s not just that Mullen can become the first Gator coach to ever sign a Dade County 5-star. It’s not just that he could sign the first multiple 5-star UF class since 2015. It’s not just that the Big-3 would group with Xzavier Henderson to give Mullen the four highest-rated Dade County signees in UF history.
In the short term, it’s that he would likely be adding at least one All-SEC caliber player to his roster. In the long term, he’d be kicking the door open to the nation’s most fertile recruiting ground at a level that the program has never before enjoyed.
Both would be huge for the program, but there’s even more at play here…
It’s about playing defense
As exciting as it would be for Mullen to make history in Dade county, it would only serve as a single needed step in reversing an ugly trend in Florida. Specifically, I’m referring to the fact that elite in-state prospects have increasingly chosen to sign with out of state programs at the direct expense of UF (FSU & Miami have also endured this decline).
Consider that in the decade between 2002-2011, UF signed an average of about 3 of Florida’s top-10 per year. In the 9 recruiting cycles since, they’ve seen the yearly average drop to 0.72 annually.
Concurrently, out of state programs saw their average annual share of Florida’s top-10 rise from a collective 2.9 per year (between 2002-2011) to 5.4 annually (between 2012-2020). So, at the same time UF saw their average annual take of Florida’s top-10 drop by 76%, the out of state powers (mostly Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, and Ohio State) saw their take rise by 86%.
That’s a seismic shift in the power structure of Florida’s in-state recruiting picture.
To understand the relevance of this issue to the Palmetto prospects, let’s take a look at the current Composite rankings for the top-10 recruits in the state of Florida (out of state IMG transfers have been omitted, as always):
As you can see, out of state programs already have commitments from half the in-state top-10, while UF has none. By successfully landing commitments from the Big-3 at Palmetto, Mullen would secure his only readily apparent shot at landing two in-state top-10 recruits.
This wouldn’t break ground over recent history (the total has been achieved four times by three UF coaches since 2013), but a slight ranking elevation by Collier (currently ranked just outside the adjusted top-10 at #11) could give UF three in-state top-10 recruits for the first time since Urban Meyer’s national #1 class in 2010.
Of equal importance however, is avoiding the consequences of missing out on both Palmetto 5-stars.
If Taylor were to commit to Miami and Marshall were to choose Alabama, UF could face being shut out of the in-state top-10 for the second time in Mullen’s tenure (and just the third time ever). Missing out on Marshall or Taylor could also position Alabama to land half the in-state top-10 (they are rumored to be leading for Xavian Sorey as well).
If this happens, UF could end up as the only Big-3 Florida school without a top-10 in-state recruit. Also, while Miami hasn’t recruited well in recent years, such a scenario could build some south Florida momentum for Manny Diaz on the trail as he enjoys the program’s first multiple 5-star class since 2012.
In view of these stakes, it’s clear that the Palmetto guys are just as important to Mullen’s defense of the state as they are in his offensive efforts to claim new territory. By signing each of the Big-3 he can make a single, but important step in stopping the in-state bleeding. Simultaneously, he can take a step to prevent Miami from impeding UF’s efforts toward recruiting progress.
Which brings us to our third reason that the Palmetto crew could matter so much…
It’s about showing progress
Please allow me to be blunt here: The Big-3 at Palmetto may prove to be truly indispensable if we’re looking for quantifiable evidence of recruiting improvement within UF’s 2021 class.
Consider that at present, the class includes 22 commits and ranks 10th nationally (4th in the SEC). The average recruit rating of 89.23 ranks about 15th nationally and the Gators have more commitments than all but one team in the current top-20, indicating that their ranking is being partially buoyed by quantity rather than quality.
As such, UF will need to finish with high quality recruits down the stretch to rise in the rankings (or even prevent a fall) as other teams fill out their classes.
Now, let’s explore how the Palmetto guys specifically impact these numbers. Check out the chart below for a comparison of how each combination of the three additions would impact UF’s class score (at the time of writing):
As you can see, adding each of the three primary Palmetto targets would typically position UF’s class for a #10 ranking in recent years. Adding only Marshall and Collier would generally position them for 13th and only adding Collier would barely keep them in the top-20.
But let’s be very clear: UF isn’t finishing at 20th and they are likely to add other prospects, regardless of the Palmetto outcomes. The important takeaway is understanding that these three are arguably the highest-ranked uncommitted prospects remaining on UF’s board and they will serve as the foundation for the rest of the class. As such, unless something changes, Palmetto’s Big 3 represent UF’s biggest potential for upward class ranking mobility.
As evidence, let’s say that apart from Palmetto, UF manages a likely best-possible finish of top-100 DE Tunmise Adeleye (currently committed to Ohio State), top-100 WR Deion Colzie, and DT Desmond Watson. Then let’s say UF loses 2 much-lower rated 4-star prospects (I chose 2 who have been rumored as possibilities to exit). By also adding each of the Big-3 at Palmetto, UF’s 26-man class would sit at a score of 279.49, good for 8th nationally last year.
Regarding progress in this scenario, we could point to the following:
- Mullen’s highest-scoring class ever
- Winning at least 4 or 5 major prospect battles (Taylor, Marshall, Colzie, Adeleye, Collier) over big-time programs in a single recruiting class under Mullen. A first in his tenure.
- Finally breaking into IMG Academy for a big-time recruit, who happens to be in the Florida top-10.
- Signing of three of the FL top-10 (unadjusted for IMG).
- Landing two of the Florida top-5 for the first time since 2015 and only the second time since 2009.
- Landing UF’s first multiple 5-star class since 2015 and the first back-to-back classes with 5-stars since 2014-2015.
- All the Miami area milestones discussed earlier in this article.
The class ranking might not be much better than in the recent past, but those are marks of a real step forward. The problem is that removing just one of the Palmetto 5-stars (let alone two) from the equation changes this outlook dramatically.
If for example Leonard Taylor were to choose Miami, then UF backfilled the spot with Palmetto 4-star DT Savion Collins, the class score would fall to 273.07. That score typically finishes around 9th place, just like Mullen’s last two classes at UF.
More importantly, it would negate at least half the bullet-pointed items of progress above and appear that his Dade County achievements were necessary to merely tread water in the bigger picture. That’s not to say that landing Collier and one of the Palmetto 5-stars wouldn’t be a big deal. It absolutely would be.
But without a Palmetto sweep, the ceiling for this class probably looks a lot more like 2019 and 2020 than some might want to admit. And again, that’s assuming a big-time finish apart from the Palmetto prospects.
Turning back to the bigger picture, I mentioned at the onset of this article that Palmetto’s Big 3 could prove to be pivotal for Gator football. They represent historic potential recruiting gains in Dade County, a significant potential defense of state borders, and a potential platform for quantifiable recruiting progress. But the key word at each point is “potential”.
I think I’ll just leave it at that…
Disclaimers:
- I used the 247 Composite Rankings as the basis for all my recruit ratings and rankings. Corey Collier is a 5-star on Rivals and that’s awesome. My omission of this fact was an attempt at consistency, not negativity.
- Yes, I adjust my Florida recruit rankings to remove out of state IMG Academy Transfers.
- Recruiting cycles are always a roller coaster ride that takes unexpected turns along the way, for better and worse. Despite my best efforts to be contextually accurate, this cycle could get weird fast. It’s hard to say how Covid-19 could impact things. Even if it doesn’t, rating fluctuations or other big-time surprises are always possible. Let’s hope they all go Florida’s way!
- Go Gators.
Jim Robertson
Bill, I have always enjoyed your feedback and knowledge when it comes to Gator football. I canot find any flaws in your write up, actually I have believed for awhile that the Palmetto recruits could and should be a season maker , not only for this year but the next 2 or 3 seasons. We can only hope that we get a couple of these guys but I have to admit i am not overly optimistic.
Bill Sikes
Jim, thanks a lot for reading and for the support. With crunch time rapidly approaching, I’m holding out hope as well. Go Gators!
Richard Doig
Great article. Sobering to realize the lack of success with the highest rated prospects despite the quantity of such players.
Bill Sikes
Thanks for reading, Richard! I agree that viewing UF’s recent recruiting through the numbers is a sobering endeavor. Anything is possible, but history says it needs to be better.
Bob Wiley
Lne of the most informative recruiting columns I can recall reading. We all know how critical Miami/Dade and IMG are but this quantifies that fact. Let’s hope we get all three and some flips/surprises befOre it’s all said and done. Great piece Bill and yes, Go Gators..
Bill Sikes
Bob, thanks for the feedback and I’m glad you enjoyed the article. Both Dade county and IMG are talent hotbeds and UF has struggled within both (especially IMG!). To clarify my position in the article, it’s not that UF has to kick in the door at Dade specifically. But, given their struggles to land elites anywhere, landing the big-3 at Palmetto would open up a sorely needed, and deeply rich in-state talent pool. Again, I appreciate that you read the article and provided insightful commentary. God bless.
JEFF LOPEZ
Bill, great analysis, but can you put your thumb on the most likely cause for Mullen and his staff to be so bad at recruiting elite talent? Before it was they had to show success on the field, which they have. It was also facilities, which they are building. But Miami has done neither of these and they still are out recruiting UF!!!
Bill Sikes
Thanks, Jeff! UF’s recruiting struggles are likely due to a number of factors, but in my opinion, there is one overarching issue within the programs control: Namely, that Mullen doesn’t appear to have assembled and operated a highly-efficient recruiting organization. From the beginning, his secondary staff was riddled with scandal (and has largely already been replaced). The plan was poor (aiming to take 3-4 bluechips annually from Cali and the west coast), the communication has been lacking (as evidenced by reports from MANY recruits and recruit families), and the chain of command (as it pertains to take/pass decisions) has been muddled. In my mind, it doesn’t matter what uncontrollable diversity you face if you don’t take care of what you can control. Some of this (maybe a lot of it) has been cleaned up, but we’re in cycle #4 now for Mullen. It’s late in the game to get where you need to be in recruiting, but whether that starts to show in this class is no guarantee.
JEFF LOPEZ
As you and many others have said, Stars matter!!!! I wish Mullen could figure out how to fix the problem, because we aren’t going to win the SEC with better recruiting!!! My fear is he just can’t!!!
Donovan German
At this point, Mullen is showing that the recruiting game is not going to be elite. So, Will, what you have pointed at in the past is transcendent QB play elevating a team. Let’s hope that the QB whisperer can make Trask-Jones-Richardson-Del Rio a line of QBs who can lift us to the promise land. An SEC championship, playoff appearance (because of elite QB play) could help on the recruiting front. Maybe he is more like Dabo (but doesn’t have the luxury of the ACC).
Bill Sikes
Donovan, thanks so much for reading and responding. I hope you don’t mind if I answer the question you aimed at Will, but I do agree that QB is a proven compensating-factor for sub-standard recruiting. In the history of recruiting rankings (I’ve traced this back to 1993), only 3 teams have won the SEC without a national top-5 recruiting class. Those were:
2004 Auburn
2005 Georgia
2010 Auburn
The QBs for those teams included
2004 Auburn – QB Jason Campbell (SEC player of the year)
2005 Georgia – QB Jason Shockley (1st team All-SEC)
2010 Auburn – QB Came Newton (Heisman Trophy Winner)
Guess what these 3 guys had in common??? They were all former composite 5-star prospects. So, there are 2 proven routes to win the SEC in recruiting. Land a top-5 class or sign a 5-star QB.
But what about Clemson? Swinney’s QB magic won him the ACC in 2009 with 5-star QB Tajh Boyd (1st team All-ACC, over 4000 combined yards). He’s also won with near 5-star Deshaun Watson (#1 dual threat prospect nationally), and 5-star Trevor Lawrence. When he instead faced off against Bama with former 3-star Kelly Bryant, it didn’t go so well…
Just food for thought. Thanks again!
Navy Gator
Bill,
I have always appreciated the hard work that goes into the product you share with us, so let me start by saying thank you. The difficulty we seem to have acquiring the best talent in the most talent-rich state is definitely troubling and the past few days events vis Palmetto have only solidified the fact that we may never get there, regardless of on the field success, improved facilities or different assistant coaches. All that said, I have not lost hope with Dan and it comes down to two things.
1. Despite not finishing a single recruiting cycle in the top 5 (or even sniffing in when one considers the attrition we’ve suffered), our Team Talent average continues to increase. I’m a member of Swamp247 (and Scout before that) and pay close attention to what xxEHxx has to say. If we finish with a recruiting score around ~275 like he thinks we will, we’re in for another 9th-or-so ranked class. If that happens, we can count on our TEAM average to rise to around 90.75-91.00 (depending on the attrition) with more room to grow as the last McElwain-era hangers-on run out of eligibility. I’ll note that a 91.00 average has historically been good for 4th overall (I know I know, it will still be 3rd behind Alabama and Georgia, if not LSU too as they also seem to be rising). Something to chew on.
2. Mullen is known for being a developer and I think he values that in his assistant coaches above recruiting ability. It is possible that the top level recruits don’t want to marinate in Mullen’s system for 2-3 years before they see meaningful minutes, hirting our ability to acquire the top guys. That said, I’ll take the .9100 (on average) Juniors-RS seniors who do get developed by Mullen and co. over the .9300 avg. underclassmen that Georgia runs out there every time. When you add that QB is Mullen’s bread and butter (with a long list of NFL QBs of varying high school ratings on his resume) and who I would consider a high 4 star/near 5 star in Emory Jones set to take over as a RS Junior next year, I can see a good argument for success right in line with what you have mentioned in your articles/comments.
Bottomline, we aren’t recruiting great, but we are recruiting well, and if Mullen can continue to replace the players we have with better ones consistantly and develop them like he’s shown the ability to do at MSST and UF, then I’m not worried at all. On that note, would it be too much to ask someone of your statistical abilities to come up with a “devoper multiplier” for Mullen based on who he recruits vs who he gets drafted? I think that could help explain why a 91.00avg Mullen might just possibly be > 93.00avg Smart (guessing a developer multiplier less than 1.00) team. Your next project, perhaps.
Looking forward to your response, and if I don’t hear back I might just have to track you down on 247.
🙂
Navy Gator
Shannon
Go Gators. Nice Analysis. Worried how Covid and staying close to home effects all this. But maybe David Turner can help with the four left. Go Gators!
Bill Sikes
Shannon, thank you for reading! Covid is definitely an issue that could turn recruiting (and college football) upside down. The problem I have, is that it doesn’t seem to be hurting anybody else. If everybody wants to stay home now, why is Bama still doing so well in Florida? Why are there still so many recruits committing to out of state schools across the country? In my mind, as it pertains to recruiting, Covid will aid good recruiters and hurt poor ones. Hopefully , UF ends up on the right side of that… Thanks again!!
Gator Fanatic
Yet, considering team composite scores, only 30% of teams in the Top 4 have made the CFP. 65% of CFP participants have been in the Top 10. AND, teams ranked as low as #23 and #24 have made the CFP. #23 made it in over their fellow conference foe who was ranked #3.
Not to mention those who have missed the CFP include two #1’s, three #2’s, five #3’s, and four #4’s (that’s 14 out of the possible 20 in the past 5 years).
We DON’T NEED the Palmetto 5 to make the CFP. AND based on the fact our starting QB is the 2,000+ ranked recruit in his class, we’ll NEVER be competitive since “Stars Matter”.
#MicDrop (P.S., you still excited today about Trey Dean like you were at his commitment?) Get back on Twitter, the heat is real!!!
Bill Sikes
Gator Fanatic! Thanks a lot for the heat! Honestly, it’s posts like yours that drove me to dig deeper over the years, as my factually-based contentions were met with mass-opposition. With that said, yours is a commonly harnessed opposition based in a misunderstanding of my claims. I fully acknowledge that star rankings do not guarantee eventual prospect success. Likewise, loading up on higher-rated recruits (as opposed to your opponents) does not guarantee team success. But, it is a fact that elite recruits succeed at exponentially-higher rates than those of lower star bands. And when I say succeed, I mean they perform at all-conference levels, win Heisman Trophies, are drafted into the NFL, and are drafted in earlier rounds.
More important to your claim however, is that in the SEC, no team has ever won the conference without landing a composite top-5 class (or pre-composite, as ranked by either Wallace or Lemming), or having a former 5-star QB play at an elite level. As such, within the scope of SEC history, elite recruiting is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for winning the conference. In other words, all this stars business you guys hate doesn’t guarantee championships, but failing to excel there guarantees you aren’t winning them. Moreover, it doesn’t matter how teams recruit a champion in the Pac-10 or ACC to reach the playoffs, because UF doesn’t play their schedule.
Does that mean Mullen can’t find a new way to win? Does it mean things won’t change? No to both. And if there was ever an idyllic scenario where the path was easy enough to facilitate that, it’s 2020. I’m hoping he makes history and if so, I’ll lead the charge in trumpeting his accomplishment. But for now, you should probably pick your mic back up.
Mike Wood
Bill Sikes! My favorite of all! Please continue to contribute! You were the best on Gators Breakdown. You are sorely missed.
Bill Sikes
Thanks, Mike! I appreciate the support…. and I might just pop in on the show some time! Go Gators!
Terrence
Hey Bill, what do you think of the Gators getting two of the five? I also think we can flipped Leonard Taylor somewhere down the line.